Liar Liar – What more proof?

Liar Liar – What more proof?

Yesterday I wrote a very long and detailed post on the Plame leak situation. It had quotations and it had links. It had the whole history, the timeline, and it had several compelling points. Just as I was about to publish it, a site in another window crashed my browser. Bummer. I have really got to start writing these things offline. I’m just too disheartened to reconstruct the whole blasted thing. Since you can easily look up everything to do with it, I’ll just contribute my own thoughts to the public conversation.

I believe that Plame was outed intentionally, which is a felony crime if not outright treason. Either Cheney or Bush authorized it. I actually suspect that it was Cheney (with Rove?), and that the official story is a backdated version for coverup purposes. The outing of Plame was meant to punish Plame’s husband (Wilson) for stating the truth – and it was also a message to the intelligence community that they had better give them the “intelligence” that is wanted, rather than assessing reality.

Although people within the administration knew that Bush’s claims weren’t true – and there were efforts to remove them (including by Tenet), these claims kept getting re-added to Bush’s State of the Union speech, which was delivered. It was just one of the ways in which Americans were manipulated – playing on their fears to drum up support for our illegal and unethical invasion of Iraq. This has proven to be a disaster, and all of the people who were demonized for speaking their minds at the time have been proven correct. We took over in Iraq for reasons that will become abundantly clear in future, if they aren’t clear enough to you already (hint – permanent bases on the oil pipeline, Cheney’s secret energy meetings, Enron, Halliburton, record oil profits, corruption, fraud…).

Neither American lives nor Iraqi lives (remember, we’re “rescuing” them?) matter enough to this administration for them even to answer the basic question of what cause our soldiers are fighting for. Modus operandi: when in doubt, change the subject – when in doubt, use doublespeak – when in doubt, use your media assets or run commericals as news – when in doubt, change the “reason” we’re there – when in doubt, hide everything. If they had nothing to hide, we’d be getting a lot more information instead of being under surveillance ourselves.

To claim that “declassifying” Plame and leaking her CIA status to their kiss-butt reporter friends (remember, it wasn’t a White House press release) was in the interests of national security is an outright lie.

Tell me – how does disrupting a valuable source of intelligence, undoubtedly along with others who could be tied to her, help our national security? Isn’t it obvious that it is actually a serious breach of our national security? I wonder how many people died as a direct result, and how much real intelligence has been squandered. It is a felony for good reason.

When he was asked about this leak, he stood up and said he’d get to the bottom of it, that whoever was responsible would be fired. Fire Cheney and yourself, Mr. President. Resign. If there wasn’t anything wrong with what your administration did, you would have explained yourself at the time, not years later when Libby was in court.

Oh wait, we still haven’t really gotten an explanation from the mouth of the king. His sycophant messengers have just given us some spin, that’s all.

Whatever voting machines haven’t been hijacked yet will tell you our judgment – if that matters anymore. We’ve seen what the interests of the American people mean to you – that is, nothing at all.

Take a good look around. Our land and water are being polluted. Corporate interests are all but writing our laws. Our system isn’t functioning – ask people from New Orleans, ask people who have to face new interest rates, ask people who are working part-time in more than one job, ask people trying to navigate Medicare and Medicaid, ask the children who are left behind or who graduate from our schools with a substandard education. Many people who believe they are religious have been hookwinked into following false prophets who would like to see this country turned from the land of the free into a pseudo-christian theocracy – money-grubbers of hate and corruption are even attempting to start ’em young with home schooling and bible classes in the public schools. People openly assert claims of empire and world domination. Now you’re deliberating whether we might use nukes on Iran? So what, we’re worse than Hussein now? Wasn’t that the ultimate no-no? Oh, and didn’t you just make a deal on that very topic? What was that all about?

I’m watching to see what happens in November. We know about the election fraud, the hidden programming in the voting machines. We know that even now Diebold technicians are making the rounds. With popularity in the 30-40 percent range, it would be very strange if the Republicans retained control of both houses, wouldn’t it?

So what’s on the menu? Planning to blow up a few more towers? Maybe a Bin Laden sighting in Chicago? A nuclear meltdown in Florida? A small dirty bomb in some suburban neighborhood?

Contact your congresspeople – it’s time for them to show some spine. We still – so far – have only the soft version of fascism. There is still a chance to use our democratic system the way it was intended.

Wherever you are, do whatever you can – while you still can.

How can anyone still support this President, this Vice-President, these cronies of theirs? What more proof do you need?

Vote. Vote. Vote.

16 thoughts on “Liar Liar – What more proof?

  1. I am beginning to think that people will still support Dubya, no matter what– even if he starts personally ripping the heads off babies on live television– all because he’s a member of the official party of Jesus.

    ugh

  2. I just felt compelled to dispute your attacks on President Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. First off the Special Prosecuter already stated the President Bush violated no laws and there for neither did Dick Cheney. The FACT is no mention of authorization to release the name of Valerie Plame exists, so that is sheer speculation and not fact. You just like many other people are going on the assuption that it was done for political reasons and that is based I am guessing because you really don’t like Bush and saying that he did it for political reasons is because you don’t like him.

    One last thing, Valerie Plame doesn’t fall under the statute that is designed to protect secret overseas operatives and because of this no law was broken. The only reasonm Libby is even in trouble was that he decided to lie about what he was told and they caught him in the lies.

  3. The Special Prosecuter hasn’t finished the investigation into the 2003 leaking of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity. That is actually the purpose of the investigation, so I’m not sure why you would think there wasn’t a problem. Fitzgerald’s court filing talks not of an effort to level with Americans but of “a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson” by Bush and Cheney. It concludes, “It is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to ‘punish Wilson.’

    Whether I like Bush or not (I haven’t met him, so I have no way of knowing) is totally beside the point. His behavior, his irresponsibility, his secrecy, his disregard of human life, the expansion of his power, and his deceit are what I find dangerous and offensive – as should any American.

  4. I just though I would be different to the flow here. I deeply sympathise with you regarding your browser crash.

    I honestly do not know how many ‘kick ass’ posts I have written, only to lose it due to ‘something or other’ going wrong.

    I tend to do them in notepad first then paste them. Mental note to myself, do it in Word and I can spell check also.

  5. Darkman you are being absurd to compare Prersident Bush to Nazi’s in Germany and just because I don’t agree with you and all the other Anti-Bush people doesn’t make me wrong and you right.

  6. I am waiting for all the proof of what you dispise about our President for; disregard for human life, expansion of his powers (no expansion of powers, he just used the ones he has been granted by the US Constitution) , irresponsible behavior and deceit. As soon as you can sight actual proof of any of these thing you will have more credibilty. Just by saying he has done some things you don’t agree with don’t make any of what you say he has done true.

  7. Darkman: Although there are clearly some historical parallels to be drawn, the invocation of Hitler is not considered appropriate in American discourse. Regardless of the truth value, it provokes an immediate response that is counterproductive. As a result whenever anyone makes that particular comparison, they have pretty much lost any argument. I’m not sure how that got to be – we have as bad or worse than Hitler in other examples, but it has a particular resonance in the American psyche so most people “don’t go there.”

    Scott: Using false intelligence to justify a war that was already going to happen: Wilson, mobile bioweapons, uranium lie, Downing Street memos, etc.
    Illegal surveillance of Americans, corporate interests, crony appointments.
    Katrina. Fallujah. 9/11.

    Look, just read back over the blog for the last few years. There’s actually so much information now that I can’t begin to list it. If you can’t see any of it yet, you are intentionally blinding yourself for some other reason.

  8. Virushead, the Intelligence wasn’t know to fe false before we went to war. So that blows your accusation out of the water. Downing Street memo says nothing about Blair or Bush doing anything wrong, so that blows that accusation out of thge water. No illegal surveillance was ever found again that blows your accusation out of the water. Corporate interests is more lies perpatrated by you and the liberal left. Crony appointments, that is one of the most laughable statement you have made yet. Every President from the beginning of our nation has appointed people they know and trust to be in positions in their administration. You act like only President Bush has ever done it. That is so outrageous even for you.

    So again you have showed no proof of anything that you accuse the President of doing. You act like the job of President of the United States is a simple job and that every decision they make is just to benefit a buddy of theirs. Oh thats right only President George W. Bush would do that.

  9. Because there aren’t similarities between Nazi Germany and President Bush. Only the Looney Left make claims like that.

  10. Um Scott – this is why I try not to argue with blind ideologues. There really isn’t anything I can say that would convince you – so why do you bother asking?

    Yes, the intelligence was known to be false even if you discount Chalabi and his influence. Intelligence was spun and cherrypicked. Look at John Bolton. Look at Cheney and Wilson. The Downing Street memo confirms that intelligence was being fixed around the intention to invade – to rationalize it. We had the whole world with us after 9/11 – ever wonder why most of the world hates us now? When I say crony appointments, I am referring to people with either direct conflicts of interest or simple inability to do the job. Look up the appointments yourself – look especially at regulatory agencies to protect the American people and then see which industries the appointees used to fight for. It’s all blantantly obvious. And you really don’t see corporate interests? The insurance companies WROTE the Medicare drug benefit plans…

    Proof is looking at you right in the face from all directions.

    Having looked at your own blogs, it’s clear that we would have a very difficult time finding anything at all in common, except perhaps being human, being American, and being parents. You only came back here again to try to antagonize me – we’ve been through this before.

  11. I would really like to understand why you feel so strongly that the President of the United States is so evil as you have described him. Not everyone sees things as jaded as you appear to and I am one of those people. So I am trying to understand what makes you makes you say all of those negative things about the President.

    You say all of these things are blatantly obvious, but you have to be pretty jaded to even look for things to say that he has done wrong.

  12. This is what you’ve said before, but I don’t really get the vibe that what you are looking for is understanding.

    I am not jaded. I am neither worn out or wearied, not cynical, not callous. I am deeply disappointed and horrified that this is happening in America, and astounded that our spirit has fallen so low that we have allowed it. It’s not who we used to be.

    If I were jaded, I wouldn’t care anymore. I would assume that all structures of power were equally corrupt and exploitative and I wouldn’t bother trying to express my thoughts on it, or to recommend actions that people can take even as “armchair activists.”

    What makes me say negative things is that he’s doing negative things, and his administration is doing negative things – things that affect all of us, and for some time to come.

  13. He isn’t doing all these things you are accusing him of doing and that is what I have been saying. I used jaded because that is the impression I have gotten when I read your posts. You make accusations based on speculation and interpretation and that again is why I end up questioning your view of the President. I do apologize for my tone of many of my posts.

  14. It takes a big man to have the courage to apologize for anything. Accepted.

    But let me clarify once again. It is not my view of the President that is at issue. I don’t hate George W. Bush. I don’t know the man. But I do know the actions of his administration. It is not based on interpretation and speculation, and I am not alone in my assessment.

    I know that you don’t want to believe anything bad about this President’s behavior. You think it’s personal, like it was with the right-wing hatred of the Clintons. It’s not. It’s objective. He hasn’t provided the leadership to hold the reins, to hold our interests safe. His priorities are out of order.

    We can argue about whether or not the power his administration has claimed is really constitutional. I think not, but as you say, that is a speculative matter that will be decided by history. I do know that you would quickly change your tune if it was a Democratic president who did this, so I do ask you to imagine it from that point of view. Left or right, no President should have this much power, should withhold so much information, should be this invasive of our privacy, should put us in such a precarious situation in the world.

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